You would be better hanging on for a fug 4 or F30 that is registered.

I know they are rare but it would be much easier to do.

If you must use a Fug 2 save your self loads of hassle get a registered one

This one is not SVA'd which is a complete pain in the backside to do.

The process is far from easy and you should allow at least £200.00 for the tests you are bound to fail your first test.

Don't let anyone tell you can just get a VW log book and change the body because DVLC have closed that door firmly.

Any body swap these days will automatically require a Vehicle inspectorate visit.

Been there and tried it :(

when did this happen?........not good........SVA on a fug is real bad news in my opinion, there are way too many exposed and protruding parts that could hurt the butterflies and bumble bees.......but it can be done, I forget his name now but there was a blue fug-4 who went through SVA, but to be honest, seeing the amount of panelling put me right off......but you can always remove it after test!.......I seem to remember someone telling me 3 Fugs have been SVA'd since the SVA test introduction - I think it was you Cal!!!........Gareth - I'd go find the V5 for your Q plates ASAP fella :(

cheers mate,i'm hassling the prev owner right now!!! :unsure:

was hoping to avoid SVA if at all possible :o :ph43r:

if he cannot find it - get a written confession from the previous owner to prove to the DVLA you dint thieve it, his name will be on their copy of the V5 and that should tie it all in nicley......... explain the whole situation to the DVLA, and I'm sure they will re-issue you a replacement V5, as the bottom line is the car was correctly registerred as a Q plate.......I have heard some nice stories where the DVLA have actaully been quite helpfull.

For anyone who's interested, look here about body/chassis swaps etc.

http://www.totalkitcar.com/tkc_article_122.php

thanks Bin

more or less as I said
you will more than likely get an inspection and no way are you going to get away with transfering a beetle reg onto a fugitive.

That is why properly registered fugitives are now worth a premium.

Now where did I put those green log books :)

heres the link to fugepilots fug-4 that went through SVA.......

http://forums.fugitives.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=65&hl=

it can obviously be done.......but its a tad more work :(

ok had bad news today.....the previous owner has deffo lost the logbook and i'm in limbo as to what to do next :angry:

i've checked the dvla website tax thing and my fuge is registered as a vw....so where do i go now? it's got a Q plate allocated to it but a vw chassis number stamped into the frame and having checked the rules about the 'points system' for parts used in the build etc i have a real fear that i will have to face the dreaded SVA......

i've been told that i can apply for a v5 and call it a VW twin axle rigid body but i have a vague suspicsion that the MOT dude will fail this on sight despite his love of the *cough* more interesting vehicle :rolleyes:

i must confess that it is my fault as regards leaving the registration so long and to be honest i have spent a lot of time on 'project polo' recently but if anyone has any useful advice and/or tips i'd be more than grateful

cheers guys

gar B)

and just read back through this topic and also googled SVA regs.......

ouch!!!!

i really really want to get my fuge on the road and down the strip this year so if anyone knows whether my Q plate helps me out or not.......and any other advice!!!

cheers
g

Regarding the points, you will be able to get it through much more easily if you install a beetle engine and gearbox first then when it's gone through bung the other stuff back in. ;)

Yep that'll certainly help. I know it's about 4 years ago now and rules have changed alot since then but I had a 1979 Suzuki GS550 which has been heavily modified. Rear of chassis chopped off and converted to single shock, Kawa ZX9R rear end slung in, Kawa ZXR400 front end slotted in but importantly it retained the clocks, tank, engine craddle and original GS550 engine therefore including gearbox.

No questions what so ever that it was still a Suzuki GS550E.

Unfortunately less than a month later, and would you believe it ;) , the engine blew up so had to shove a GSXR 750 engine in.....

So V5 just got updated to show new cc. It's on the same plate and same original chassis number thats stamped to the engine craddle :)

thanks guys! B)

i had thought that a bug 'box and engine may be the way to go initially if it comes to the SVA so thanks for backing that hunch up ;)

anyone know if i can use the lump out of my bay as a temporary substitute?

since the bay is getting scirocco power soon the aircooled lump will be lying around and is originally a 1300 bug lump with the bigger pistons fitted :D

gareth

all is not lost I have seen several vw log books state such as

VW Nova

VW fugitive

Go through the new mot no problems.

The important thing here is the model name must not say beetle.

You can apply for a new log book if the current one is lost

try here

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Buyin...icle/DG_4022404

Once you get it put it through the MOT pronto.

Then re apply for the log book to be amended.
You then need to apply to an official body in this case the owners club chairman for a letter stating the vechile is in fact a UVA fugitive and not a VW fugitive.
Paul maybe able to do this on headed paper.
Send this off stating it was incorrectly registered and get the log book amended.

I you think you will find DVLA will quit ameniable to this as it is obviously an eror when reqistered as its a Q plate.
Do not try this if you have the donor reg you will not pass go.

thanks cal!! B)

that might be just the break i'm looking for! :D

i'll let ya'll know what happens ;)

Caloun,

So are you saying that even if you had a VW Beetle that was registered and shown on the V5 as a VW Beetle if you change the body for one you made yourself you'd still have to go through the SVA?

Sounds that way. :(

Cheers
Kieron

Just checked with DVLA and replacing a body with a body that differs from the original will require an SVA.

So it's not even ensuring the chassis is unmodified you cannot replace the body with anything other than the original type body. So it looks like a new beach buggy on an unmodified Beetle chassis will now require a SVA.

not quite if you keep enough parts you can keep the registration.

usually the chassis (unmodified) transmission and engine

you do not need to sva but a super mot whatever
that is this what dvla told me

When I spoke to the DVLA yesterday they made it pretty clear. If replacing a body with a non-standard body you need to go through the SVA.

Keeping the reg is not the issue although it would be retained.

Which is a pain for something myself and Bin Jammin are doing. :angry: :(

Hi all, my new fug II has come with a vw beetle 1302 reg doc. Looking at the scoring system I get 9 points and this means I can keep the original reg plate. is it easy to get the description changed to Vw fugitive or UVA Fugitive?

suspension = 2 points
axles = 2 points
transmission = 2 points
steering assembly = 2 points
engine = 1 point

I would like to skip SVA all together and would rather chance it without changes to the docs. The previous owner managed it for years.

Just adding my two cents worth...My understanding is that the SVA is no longer applicable and that something called IVA is to replace it - but they haven't decided on the rules yet. Effectively, if you want to test and register a vehicle at the moment, you can't! Or so I'm told... So avoiding the need for the test seems to be a priority
Paul

Here's my take on it:

When SVA originally came in the DVLA had an amnesty and allowed you to "correct" the documents for incorrectly registered vehicles that were already on the road, this is long gone.

From the current Kit Car press it does sound like all bookings made from now on will be for the newer IVA test rather than SVA.

Essentially you are at the mercy of any tightening of the rules, currently your MOT tester COULD refuse to MOT the vehicle as it isn't a VW Beetle. How likely this is in reality who knows - but I suspect it'll be more likely as time goes on.

I think any attempt to get the document changed from VW Beetle is likely to lead to you having to put it through IVA.

Current DVLA Kit Car Registration page : http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Buyin...cle/DG_10014246

So if I have a fug down as convertible for body type could I get away with it?

The rules, or perhaps the application of them, seems to vary.

The grey area seems to be in determining which cars need to have an IVA test.

If your car is already registered and has been used and taxed continuously then there seems to be no problem. If it is unregistered, has been off the road untaxed or on a SORN for a long time then there can be problems. Basically, if the name on the V5 is correct then you should be OK but a number of kit cars, particularly Triumph or Beetle based kits used the donor chassis and kept the donor name. If your V5 says VW Beetle and you turn up for an MOT with a UVA then you could have a problem.
We are even hearing of people being forced to have an IVA after fitting a replacement chassis to a standard production car or even after changing the engine to a different type.

If you do need an IVA then you can get a copy of the draft manual here.

http://www.completekitcar.co.uk/Resources/...%20May%2009.pdf

The IVA is very similar to the SVA but there are a few small but significant differences.

Gtmdriver:

Now you're scaring me! Can an engine swap really lead to needing IVA IF the car was properly registered as a Fug or was that a case of the DVLA catching up with an incorrectly registered car when notified of an engine change?

I'm not talking specifically about Fugitives here. We tend to hear all sorts of horror stories at the magazine. In fact I believe that inspectors have actually used magazine articles as evidence of modifications when approaching some vehicle owners.

A major engine swap can certainly result in a requirement for an IVA though.

You need to change more than an engine to be liable for an IVA.

You need to retain 8 points, but five of these are a compulsory number attributed directly to the monocoque or chassis (depending on the vehicle)

You are not allowed to make any significant changes to the monocoque or chassis. As an example, if a chassis, you can't shorten it, lenghten it, cut off outriggers etc...If a monocoque you can't roof chop, turn to pick-up...or even cut/modify the bulkhead or transmission tunnel without being liable for an IVA test.

If the chassis or monocoque are left alone then you still need to retain three more points.

# suspension = 2 points
# axles = 2 points
# transmission = 2 points
# steering assembly = 2 points
# engine = 1 point

(^^ list taken from DVLA website ^^)

So only changing an engine and not modifying the monocoque/chassis should certainly not get you into IVA territory.

You could change an engine, gearbox and axles from another vehicle and still not need an IVA...but one more modification to suspension or steering will mean you should get an IVA.

There are SOOOO many cars out there on the roads that should be IVA'd but the owners are completely unaware of the whole IVA thing and don't know that their car isn't actually legal!

I am planning a project to build a really mad car with a different bodyshell and engine that you'd think should be straight into an IVA test but will actually be completely road legal and completely IVA exempt despite not looking like anything as described on the V5. This is being built in order to show people that there is nothing to fear about the whole IVA thing and that as long as you follow the rules, you can still have a lot of fun with cars and still retain your original V5.

I am also building a custom version of a 70's kit car which I will be submitting for an IVA. This will be another project built around the whole issue of the IVA...but this time to prove how its not that hard to IVA a radical vehicle.

GTM Driver has seen a few of my cars so knows what I am talking about...he has also met a lot of my friends and can vouch for the enthusiasm that they have in wanting to help produce these cars with me. (Once again, it was a pleasure to meet you the other day :D )

If there is anything more specific anyone wants to know about the whole IVA thing, please let me know....I have done a lot of research into it and if I don't know the answer, I certainly know a man that does ;)

So if I had a fug which was classed as a convertible for body type due to the fact the original chassis changed to mostly fug but still useing vw numbers vw engine and running gear. Sooner or later it could be pulled even though its been running like that for years. I am only asking as I have started to look for one myself.